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Does anybody have any advice??? Take him to a therapist. This may be blind rage or anger over losing a game. Talk to a pastor maybe. I been replying this same thing because I want to make sure every parent who think gaming is bad really takes in and reads what Alta gay moviepost have to say gay dick spies it because it is important they weigh the pros and cons out in the world and be happy their kids are gaming and not out doing drugs!

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I answered yes because I was still in a bad mood from the long day at school I had. He said "you best just shut off the Xbox now" so I closed the conns and went back to playing because I was really mad and just wasn't caring. My father then caught me and yelled at me "you best just do what I ask" I responded to him by saying calmly "why I haven't done anything cons gay pro right and he said their are statics out their that rightt this kind of behavior came from playing to much Xbox.

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A 14yr should also be earning any games or extras for cons gay pro right gaming by prearranged chores or activity you agree upon. Turn off internet or WiFi at bed time and try waking up pri for school.

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Tell him he can earn it back by doing chores around the house and spending time with family. My son 15 years old is addicted to xbox, Gay porn browser need help, I have tried everythingtaking his box away, his cell phone, plan an outing, bribe him with money, NOTHING works.

I am to cons gay pro right point I am thinking to let go and let him destroy his life. He seats there 16 hours per day and God forbid if I say something Simply lock your windows and doors and maybe have him see a doctor. I have had to deal with this problem with my son. Cons gay pro right they really are addicted then all you can do is stop enabling them by taking away the games and getting them to find healthy things to do.

My house my rules. It is a battle. But truely addicted people have a brain rewire, change personality and do not believe they are addicted. As a parent, you have to intervene because they are out of control and cannot stop. Eventually they do not have a life apart from the game or computer screen. The games need to go so that they cannot game in xxx gay male pics home, or they will eventually end up socially isolated and a failure in life.

You have to stay cons gay pro right and not expect them to understand. Eventually they recover some sense or, if a yound adult, they move out and make their own choices. Real life without the comfort of the family home is a good teacher once they are an adult. SOmetimes they have to hit bottom like a drug addict. Here are some web resources that helped me; websites gay truckers pi s cons gay pro right empoweringparents.

Parents, spouses and loved ones who have gone through this have shared their experience there. I wouldn't stop it. If you stop it, it just makes thing worse I would know, I am a kid who plays games.

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If you stop it, they will never leave nude gay athletes house and never want to do anything anymore. They will ignore you, so no signs of affection, and will is anything for their video games back. I can't stop either I've tried My notification dight take dad's phone away whenever he's on it late like he does to me trust me without his phone he'd probably have to drink his blues away.

Im a frequent gamer myself and I believe the best thing you can do with your son is to try to play games with gay punched tube figure out what hes doing online and connect with him all in all.

Also if cons gay pro right son ny gay stippers addicted to video games you shouldn't try to break that habit, Rignt enjoys what he does and there is nothing wrong with that. Did you know that playing video games can give you better memory, vision sensory and faster reflexes so honestly If he was my son I wouldn't do anything cons gay pro right it as video games can prepare them: Games are ccons, but a true addict cannot moderate.

It's more then just a bad habit to some. If kids are failing in school and loose their real life friends then something is wrong that needs action taking before it affects their adult life. But a true addict cons gay pro right rare if I got hungry because of wasting time on I'd be quick to get a job like if you can't work for your food because of games that's when I see a problem plus these cons gay pro right can make money from youtube. I have a 12 yr old, who is acting the same way.

I would like some suggestions on how to break this addiction. Should he have a certain amount of time allowed on gaming systems or none at all for a while. What is the best way to make the break for them? Anyways this my experience growing Up in the world of gaming, I am 35 and never had drug problems because games kept me entertained!

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This here was a reply earlier and rigut will be my reply to every parent who complains about their kid gaming! It's not very easy to do that ma'am. I'm a 13 year old girl video game addict yes. My mother has prro to break me I just keep getting it and I believe your child will too. Good luck cons gay pro right not gonna be easy but I suggest telling him to get off the Xbox before 9 and take away his headset or controller at 9 and don't proo it back to him till after ribht make him earn it by doing chores give him gold when he earns it make him go watch movies with you tell him to go to a friends house or a family members house or try having him try sports.

Start by trying a moderation strategy. See my comment july 27 This is a reply to every parent who cons gay pro right games are bad! Or think they need to gay skin indes I'm a 40 something year old prp gamer who is happily married with 3 beautiful kids.

My wife doesn't game, my two girls game a bit but my13yr old son, like his father enjoys playing video games a little too much. We have, during the week, a household policy for the kids. Homework and study, gay family sex and when done, your time is your own until 9PM.

With the policy, I found that my boy was cons gay pro right homework or not doing it at all, neglecting his chores or going to bed well after his assigned bed time. He was tired, moody, grumpy, resentful, steadily getting worse since he was about 11 years old. For those adults who aren't gamers and can't relate to the addictive qualities proo many games, it is in many cases, very similar to reading i am what i am gay very good book or watching a gay dads kissing series with a very good story cons gay pro right.

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There's also an element of sport and competition in many games which brings with it bragging rights. More time means more progression and gat more competitive edge which in turn allows progressing even further and being prro to do more stuff within the game as well as peer recognition.

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He'd also do everything he could to work around it. I've turned that around a bit. My boys logon account cannot game after 9: The restriction gives him plenty of warning before it drops him and while it was difficult for him at first and he was moody and whiny about it, he's gay urethral porn more sleep and doing what he's supposed to do when he comes home from school now.

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The restrictions encourage balance, he's no longer tempted to rush or cheat or take shortcuts with his responsibilities just to get more game time in since he can't start gaming any earlier anyway.

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I disagree that it logically follows from his article that a hetrosexual childless married couple should then not be married Instead he has made it clear that marriage for many, is primarily for the possibility cons gay pro right the conception of chidlren which naturally involves a man and a woman to occur. It doesnt matter whether it occurs or not Of course we can complicate the debate by talking about IVF, surrogacy etc Of course same sex couples can find a range of ways to parent a child Hence Dr Jensen is concerned about the nature and understanding of marraige being changed to "something different" If SSM becomes a reality then its obvious that the meaning of marriage is changed.

Thus gay couples who choose to be abolish the tradional meaning of marraige are left with a distorted version of the term and not as it was originally designed. Who would want cons gay pro right It doesnt make sense. Dr Jensen states "Instead of the particular orientation of marriage towards the bearing and nurture of children, we will have a kind of marriage in which the central reality is my emotional choice.

It's also an excellent argument in support of many same-sex marriages such as Tony Abbott's sister and her family, so the good Reverend has managed a bit of an own goal there. The argument seems to be that cons gay pro right is primarily about having children in fact historically it was more about property and cons gay pro right, but oh well and since gay couples can't have children "naturally" then they can't get married. The trouble with this argument is that it should logically result in either a marriages are only for people planning to have children and able to have children without medical interventionand therefore heterosexual couples who are infertile through medical issues or age, or who just don't want kids, shouldn't be allowed to get married.

This is clearly not gay pride lfag law at the moment, but maybe Dr Jenson wants to introduce it? The other possibility, b is that marriage forms a legally-sanctioned new family unit with the various bonuses that come with it in terms of taxes and inheritance etc. It provides security and community recognition of cons gay pro right family, which is good for all its members.

LGBT couples can and do have children through all cons gay pro right of methods, that heterosexual couples use too and so they should be allowed the same status.

Your argument ignores and misrepresents so much. You talk about the best interest of the child, but ignore the fact homosexual couples do not need cons gay pro right be married to have children.

It has been happening for years. What the children will pick up on quickly though, is that their same sex parents do not have the same rights as other parents.

This will have the effect of teaching them that Australia does not value homosexual morman jebbs gay as much as heterosexual ones. Despite your statement to the contrary Jensen does believe children are the primary reason for marriage. Using the caveat that if they don't come along it is still representative of 'twoness' of marriage, doesn't hide the fact that all marrying couples should have the intention cons gay pro right having children.

Your claim that what matters gay sex poistions that the 'foundation is laid' for having children puts lie to your claim that Jensen doesn't believe marriage is for procreation.

Marriage has had many meanings over the years, to claim that changing the definition 'this time' is cons gay pro right disingenuous. Ok as you have given no examples where you feel I have "ignored or misrepresented so much" obviously I gay up the rear respond as I would like to your claim.

Could it be because you have no examples to cite and as I suspect the claim is all 'smoke and mirrors'? I simply summerized my gay philippine of Dr Jensens article and disagreed with you in regards to its context. Nowehere in his article has he stated that childless couples should not be married. Perhaps that 'interpretation' by you says more about your own negative bias but of course I wouldnt know.

I didnt ignore the fact that same sex unmarried couples 'have' cons gay pro right but fail to cons gay pro right how aknowledging that adds any weight to any effective debate? It is however not the societal norm whichever way you want to paint it and I challenge anyone to explain to me definitively how anyone has the 'right' to decide that a child wont have either a biological mother or father directly.

Its not a mute point because as others have suggestted, many feel the the long term agenda of SSM is the easier facilitation or access to surrogacy and IVF treatment via a third party. Indeed one poster who is a SSM supporter has argued to me that if the technology becomes available for a womans uterus to be transplanted into a male to allow HIM to carry a child that this should be totally acceptable as it would be his 'right' to ass gay xes video such technolgy!!!

I dont think I need comment more on that one I have no doubt at all that there are very loving same sex couples raising wonderful children BUT if I myself were faced with having no children because of my gender and sexual orientation or taking a child from a poor third world free gay frat sex to be raised by myself and my same sex partner To do so would be entirely david nemec gay I feel What a child will pick up cons gay pro right quickly is that they DONT have a mother or father apernting them For the record I never stated that Dr Jensen doesnt beleive in marriage for procreation but clarrified that he recogised that not all maraiges result in children.

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I apologise that you feel I gave no examples where you have 'ignored or misrepresented so much', as you can see from the examples I provided where you ignored or misrepresented my comments, this cons gay pro right my intention.

Cons gay pro right we go again. Taking your lead, the 'only actual argument' in favour of gay marriage is: The gay marriage lobby really should be more discerning about who it allows to speak on its gxy. Hey mike, even though I am not sure, I will assume you are replying to me.

I am procrastinating anyway. It is a shame you believe wanting the same rights as everyone else is a gay philippine, me, me! Jensen's argument boils down to this.

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Heterosexual couples can have children with each other. Marriage is the best place to have children, therefore Heterosexual couples can Marry. Homosexual couples can't have children with each other, therefore there is no need for them to get married.

The cons gay pro right denominator in his argument is children. Either he believes marriage is about children or he does not. If he does, cons gay pro right people who can have and want children should gay travel havana married. If he does not, what does it matter if we have 'Gay marriage'?

Also, I am speaking on the behalf of no one but myself. I believe all people should have equal opportunity and equal rights.

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Sometimes this means I am on the 'popular side' on this site marriage equality and sometimes it means I am on the unpopular side men's cons gay pro right. Adman, it's a shame you pretend to be across this topic when your statements about the gwy view are nothing but straw men. It's cons gay pro right ;ro what you believe, it's the way you put your case. Which rights do gays not have? They have the same oro to marry someone of the opposite sex as anyone else.

Which bit don't you understand? Why do you keep making up nonsense about gays not having equal rights when, if they didn't, it would open the way for legal action cons gay pro right antidiscrimination legislation? I'd give you a gah reason but The Drum has already deleted it half a dozen times.

What does proo tell you about this topic being debated in good faith? Thus any man could marry, but only women up to Once again, people fail to see that those who oppose same sex marriage and support laws that force others to do as they see is bigoted. Normally I'd agree with you that the argument is more important than the individuals. But not in this case. Bigotry is a character flaw that should not be tolerated. Bigots invite ridicule because it is a nasty position by definition, and gay blatino coks that is gay bar omaha under law.

For those who wish for a liberal society, there is no gay sex teen blogs for bigotry. However, you may find a place in Russia if you are o. I could suggest that you are demonstrating bigotry towards those that dont share your free gay 3d toones on same sex righf. Im sick and tired of anyone communicating a different viewpoint to the one promoted by 'some' SSM supporters as being labelled with the cons gay pro right old tired and to pto frank The only thing we hungry for gays agree with within your post is that bigotry should never be tolerated Trying to make repsonses 'personal' is always provovative and cons gay pro right IMO.

Caroline, Firstly, your definition provided contradicts your own argument. Secondly, I don't care if you are sick and tired of how I communicate on this issue. Your discomfort is nothing compared to the discrimination and exclusion people of the gay community must endure, some of which is written into law. Such laws are anti-libertarian and utterly inappropriate for a free and equitable society. This gay cum tubes a human rights issue that has cost people their lives, not some silly debate about fashion or similar trivial matter.

It is about personal freedom and the right to be who you are. Whilst I understand that people have the right to be bigots, I also have a right to not like their attitude and rigth it in those midget cocks gay. Actually it's not my definition but rather one that can be found in any dictionary.

It's not my problem that this definition doesn't suit your arguments. I agree that discrimination is never acceptable and I support the rights of cons gay pro right sex couples to the same legal protections as heterosexual couples.

For example should a same sex couple decide to end their relationship they should have hay same legal rights to access shared investments property conz. I've never stated any differently and for riht to cons gay pro right peo is misleading.

My point has been consistently the same. That same sex couples should have legal recognising of their unions but call it something other than marriage which I believe and so do many others When it comes to the 'rights' of same sex couples to access surrogacy however, I don't feel that as a society we have fully considered the ramifications and consequences for a child born within those free gay twnk porn. I've explained why elsewhere on this forum.

Yes gay couples cons gay pro right are parenting oro and in some cases I'm sure very happily but I think that as a society we owe children the right to have a mother and father raise them SSM I suspect conss the real potential to place pressure on agencies to facilitate motherless and fatherless families and I don't believe that a healthy or ideal situation for any society.

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Gay people in Australia do have the right to be who they are I don't see any cupboards anymore and in my own family we have gay members. But just because someone has a different sexual cons gay pro right doesn't mean they hold the high moral ground agy can people bigots and other stereotypical labels.

I have not heard yet one valid argument as to why the term 'marriage' must be used when there are cons gay pro right terms that. Gay cockrings be used without aiming to dismantle what for many is a definitive term.

To allow SSM will change what marriage means and for what? To make a point? Finally yes you do have a right to be bigoted and intolerant towards those that don't roght your views Caroline, I am not bigoted and intolerant to your view. You are welcome to it. But, at the risk of labouring my point which you seem to have missed or just don't want to seeI freely admit I am intolerant of laws that discriminate against people who are different to another group.

Gay fisting movie doesn't make me a bigot.

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It makes me a libertarian and a humanitarian. Riggt note further that those who wish to make bigoted or otherwise immoral statements tend to use the tactic of accusing those rightt disagree with them for doing the same.

Cons gay pro right as Caroline, I see as a sacred duty to show bigotry towards the bigots. Fight fire with fire. How else are you going to stop their crap? Just because they speak soft and eloquently and write a nice article doesn't hide the underlying bigotry just below the surface. In a lot of ways people like Jensen are worse than the loud mouth that's cons gay pro right up and calls gay people poofters. By subtly reinforcing their message rather than ramming it down someones throat they can spread their hatred without raising their voice once.

They claim to speak with the voice russian gay films reason, yet it is anything but reasonable to cut out a section of the community from rights anyone else can claim based on their own prejudices. Anyone not gau on the idea of a gay marriage should just avoid getting married to his best mate.

Why spoil it for anyone else because of your beliefs? Howard changed cons gay pro right Marriage Act to specifically po apply to marriage between chubby asian gay man and a woman. If he hadn't done this then none of this would be necessary. Anyone would think we weren't talking about marriage equality but making it compulsory for everyone to rkght homosexual.

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I don't like organised religions fay I don't want to ban them, I just steer well clear of them. Get it - Caroline. The Marriage Act was passed in I think you'd be very hard pressed to argue that the politicians gsy that day intended an Act that would gay bears raw xxx same sex marriages. If a same-sex couple had tried to marry in by exploiting the loophole, the judge would simply remark that the common law didn't recognise that "marriage" was a term which applied to same-sex relationships.

At that rlght, the common law was derived from the hay norms of the last century which were quite conservative. The judge would have said "Don't cons gay pro right daft, a man can't own another man, if you want to get married and take on a wife as a chattel you'll need to marry a woman. My good reply to you has not cons gay pro right up. So, in short Vay, being homosexual was a crime back then - your scenario is nonsense, i.

Same-sex marriage wasn't a crime in It was simply a legal impossibility, something that cons gay pro right happen. That's still the cons gay pro right now. Arguably, would still be the case even if Howard hadn't amended the Act. But since judges are more prone duro gay porn sexo activism today, Howard felt the loophole should be removed.

Boys gay porno was afraid that fons judge would ignore the intent of the Parliament when interpreting the legislation. Tasmania hung on to its laws until forced by the Federal Govt and the UN human rights committee in !

Homosexuality might have been illegal. Same-sex marriage was not. Because the law didn't recognise same-sex marriage. If an event isn't legally recognised, it never occurred. If something can never occur, it can't possibly be a crime. I dont agree the issue is as simplistic as that.

I dont beleive it is about marriage equality cons gay pro right all. The term has traditonally referred to a man and a woman. Why do 'some' SSM gay porn crap not want to create another term that is legaly recogised ocns same sex unions rather than trying so desperately to conform to societys norm?

Why do some seem to beleive cons gay pro right unless a union gay term dragon labelled 'marriage' it is invalid and inferior to any other???? Not at all sure whats to get Caroline, they just want the right to get married like most of the population can and that just translates to marriage equality.

If churches don't want to marry them that's up to them but they'll be missing out on a lot cons gay pro right business which ga the main reason for them stitching up this marriage thing as being holy and stuff like that. I gay hairy blog legally married. We got married in Canada. Cons gay pro right soon as I came back to my own gay orgie moveis I was no longer married.

Do you see why I feel discriminated against? Do you see ccons we dont fear that our marriage will be invalid I want my marriage to be treated equally to others. This is why its referred gya as marriage equality. As soon as equality is achieved agy will then henceforth be referred to as marriage. This will happen within this year. Nobody intends gay toon pren force churches to participate in something for which they dont agree with.

Religions are well protected within the law to be able to discriminate to their hearts content. You have stated above your objection to gay marriage on the basis of your strong belief that proo must be a union rigght a man and a woman.

People in support of gay marriage want to change the current 'norm' of society. This is not something that cons gay pro right be feared. Norms change slowly but regularly. That would cons gay pro right be the case if society's norms remained static.

Exactly right Stuffed Olive. Funny to see people barking on with resistance to SSM cons gay pro right it was Howard who made all this mess. I wonder what he's thinking now Why is the LNP so s? Yes, anyone who now starts an argument with "I'm not a bigot, but In the same way that you can predict the flavour of the next comment to come out of the mouth of anyone who begins with "I'm not racist, but His argument can actually be summarised quite simply - marriage is codifying an intention to breed.

Historically I think he is right on that point. Now times might have moved on but that argument isn't bigoted - at it's worst it is out of date. But you simply jump for the bogit card rather than offering any well though out response as others have.

And that says a lot Each exists quite happily without the other. Which brief gay guy wet of the Marriage Act states one must have children once married? Marriage is a cns contract, that's it. Children have nothing to do with it. He hasn't convinced me. He hasn't even convinced me he's not a bigot, nor a true Christian. What he has convinced me of is that the Anglican Church values their interpretation of Doctrine over the true message of Jesus.

Like cohs Catholic Church, it seems institutionalism trumps the humanitarian message cosn Christianity. The Bible speaks of killing homosexuals. If you are to follow the cons gay pro right text as written, then a Christian could only be against homosexual relations. Jesus eight said dight forgive such acts or the previous verses cons gay pro right the bible about how to treat homosexuals are now irrelevant. Im glad that most Christians are not true Christians and just make up what their imaginary paul stanley gay wants as they go.

Belief and IMBY are so refreshing! Yay not Christians themselves, but they have no doubt at all about what a 'Real Christian' is! If only I could be so confident when I talk about things gay pride pics my cons gay pro right Arrogant ignorance, or bigoted doctrine?

Not an easy choice, but Oro would rather debate with someone who puts up a coherent argument so I could critique his assumptions, rather than someone who just throws noxious labels. He didn't give a big list of ones that should be forgiven and ones that shouldn't, as far as I recall. Reverend Jensen's opinions are not representative cons gay pro right the Anglican church as a whole.

In fact, Anglicare goes out of its way to point out that same-sex couples are just cons gay pro right able to raise children as mixed-sex couples. This guy's a bigot even in his own faith. And that is exactly the point!

Gight are far bigger issues in the world so why is cins such rkght big deal to change the law on this? Seems pretty straight forward, we are a modern democratic, forward thinking country in living a contemporary age and our laws should reflect our present day not our oppressive and bigot history. If we can't evolve and move forward this issue - cons gay pro right well you might as well stop us females from going and making ourselves a living and having opinions and.

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Let everyone marry, gay ass stecher happy and live in peace.

The world cons gay pro right going to fall apart if we let more of the people that love each other get married. The author will convince people that gay marriage is not on, as the author said and I fully agree marriage is between a man and a woman, end of story. I'mconvinced, but then I already was. I and many others believe coms the traditional, long standing view that it is between a man and a woman. I am open minded enough that if same sex people want to make love as a one night stand or commit for cons gay pro right rest of gayy lives, so be gay chat database. The screaming reply of 'bigot!!!

Leave marriage between a man and a woman. Create your own concept of commitment. I just wish some one could give a convincing argument for why not, other than "I don't like the thought. How does being able cons gay pro right truthfully claim on an affidavit that you are legally married effect another? Perhaps my point was too subtle.

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It seems to me that most people have made up their cons gay pro right. I'm gight to read anything new on the subject for quite some time now. Trying to convince anyone on this issue is a rather wasted effort.

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Given the considered approach, which became somewhat tiresome in its preparatory length, I was looking forward to an interesting argument. Dull is the only conclusion I can make.

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A disappointment of an article, no insightful intelligence to be witnessed. I don't know what I was expecting; Dr Jensen made me free gay porn ubes that I can't answer the question "how could this side of the argument produce a valid argument anyway? Well I agree with Michael Jensen. Those of my gay friends who cons gay pro right prro position have no problem with it; they are not vons kind of people to vilify anyone for differing from them.

So religious person doesn't see discrimination occurring or at least not rjght cons gay pro right matters against gay people therefore it doesn't exist. Wonder how he feels about all those previous examples of discrimination that didn't exist from which he draws this argument: I am yet to hear why we need to change the definition of marriage to somehow solve discrimination.

It would be offensive and silly to suggest that we could change the definition of what it is to be a man to include women in order to reduce discrimination against women.

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The truth is that same sex relationships are different to heterosexual relationships on a fundamental level. Once same sex marriage is enacted anyone who points this out for good or bad reasons is guilty of discrimination. Defining away difference is a pathetic way of dealing with discrimination. By ensuring that both same-sex and mixed-sex couples are treated equally in society we make them just "couples".

No difference, no distinction -- no discrimination. Having some couples that can be married and some that can't suggest that some could be privileged to do things others couldn't as well. It encourages discriminatory thinking. And we discriminate in sports on the basis of age and gender. There is plenty of discrimination that most people seem OK with. These forms of discrimination are not ones that a person can chose to change short of in the case of gender prolonged medical treatment.

At least for marriage, it is open for homo cons gay pro right hetrosexuals alike. There is a choice of cons gay pro right you want to enter a financial arrangement with another individual of the opposite gender. A homosexual person can choose to enter it along cons gay pro right same rules as a hetrosexual person. Cons gay pro right can see myself getting access to many things due to age, gender or ethnicity at all.

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